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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jul 21, 2010 8:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The annual rant

yeah but can you define that Arb? I don't want to diss any of my patchouli brethren here but I have found the MOST ardent followers of the band to look unlike the stereotype myself - usually the college looking type - short hair, t-shirt, incredibly diverse and educated and less like the stereotype with dreds ect. But I guess that's what you mean? And the actions of fools that look like that that ruined the scene with their gate crashing bullshit antics?

or maybe you were referring to how we are always pushing our band on people trying to get them to understand like a cult? Guess that makes more sense

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jul 22, 2010 3:38pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The annual rant

you know, when i read the original post, the first thing that popped into my head without thinking, was my above reply, and now that i've thought about it some more, my answer is not any different; i think i just meant that it's not unusual for a 'movement' (if i can use that term) to be viewed through the eyes of those within and who support the 'movement', and whatever our personal experience with others who enjoy the GD's music, perhaps even enjoyed the scene and the culture and whatnot, it's how the whole movement is perceived by those outside the scene that defines how it is critically accepted; you and i both know that the GD members were more than just skilled musicians, as the original poster stated, they did things musically for 30 years (okay, maybe 15ish) that others who had a similar longevity just were not doing; i agree with this, but it doesn't really bother me, what those who comment on the culture think; critics, to me, are nothing more than busybodies, they could all disappear and it wouldn't make one iota of difference to the world; whereas Jerry's departure had a ripple effect that is still being felt today; i'm probably not explaining it all very well, but i just got home and haven't had a chance to breathe

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Poster: Diamondhead Date: Jul 23, 2010 11:12am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The annual rant

Well I did say it was a rant. I just don't get that collecting artifacts in museums or colleges like 1967 concert posters or Jerry's picks does a whole lot. Then again, not everyone knows that the sky is yellow and the sun is blue.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 22, 2010 4:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The annual rant

'Critics can't even make music by rubbing their back legs together." - Mel Brooks


Seriously though, Arb - just where are those ripples that Garcia's death left? With the best will in the world, outside the narrow confines of the Grateful Dead fanbase I just don't see it.

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jul 22, 2010 7:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The annual rant

Well, you're correct of course. I believe what i was striving for was the sense that both Jerry's life (yes flow) and his death in '95 still resonates with a large body of the public. Am i overstating here? Likely, and perhaps my perception is warped by the intensity of the deadhead community, their extreme penchant for keeping the fat man front and centre (a nod to your tongue).

Nice quote by Mel, thanks for that. A bit wordier, and i know i've used the excerpt here on the forum in the past, so sorry for repeating myself, but i love Henry Rollins' take on critics:

"...But some critic taking a swing at me? I know enough now to not get angry. I know that in the real world I could come across the table and that guy couldn't handle me. I also know that I out-gross him, his woman would come with me and that without people like me he doesn't have a job. If I stopped doing what I do, there'd be thousands of letters asking why. If the writer quit his job, no one would notice. I'm putting food on his table. He's not putting food on mine. I realize that in the relationship I am the god. I know in a harsher plane, I'd be king of the jungle and I'd be eating soup from a bowl made of his cranium."

-classic

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Poster: high flow Date: Jul 22, 2010 4:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The annual rant

First, ripple effect. Perfect.

Second, Jerry's life more than his departure created a ripple effect.

Last, I completely agree about critics and lawyers and overbearing government.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Jul 21, 2010 8:40pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The annual rant

hey, that's me! thanks JOTS

and congrats on the kid, that's awesome!

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Jul 21, 2010 9:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The annual rant

which one? whichever one definitely no disrespect intended I hope you know.

And thanks for the congrats. We are very happy and excited.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Jul 22, 2010 6:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: The annual rant

"the college looking type - short hair, t-shirt, incredibly diverse and educated and less like the stereotype with dreds ect"

don't worry, my comment was referring to this part; i have short hair and frequently wear t-shirts, am educated and am, if i may say so, MAGNIFICENTLY diverse. and i've certainly never met anybody with dreadlocks who was a more avid fan of the dead than i.